Justine: Hi, I'm Justine.
Sarah Lavonne: I'm Sarah Lavonne.
Justine: We are so glad you're here.
Sarah: We believe that your life has the potential to make a deep, meaningful impact on the world around you. You, as a nurse, have the ability to add value to every single person and patient you touch.
Justine: We want to inspire you with resources, education, and stories to support you to live your absolute best life, both in and outside of work.
Sarah: Don't expect perfection over here. We're just here to have some conversations about anything birth, work, and life, trying to add some happy to your hour as we all grow together.
Justine: By nurses, for nurses, this is Happy Hour with Bundle Birth Nurses. Hello.
Sarah: Oh, hi.
Justine: This episode is going to be a hard one for me, and I might cry. I hope we title this something like, The One Where Justine Messes Up, but I made a--
Sarah: Or The One Where Justine is Human.
Justine: I guess so. I just feel like I made a critical error, and I'm living it. I'm living it.
Sarah: Still?
Justine: Still. Pretty heavily.
Sarah: Oh, no.
Justine: Let's just share some history. I was a supervisor on my unit, basically a charge for two and a half years. I now definitely realize that I cannot be in a supervisor position, and will explain more about that later, but I was on maternity leave, and the unit was getting really bad. There was 14 of us going to go out on maternity leave. What was frustrating is our leadership kept telling their leadership, "Hey, we have 14 people that are going to go on mat leave. We're going to need travelers." They never did anything. Then the 14 people left, and night shift was wrecked. They kept getting just absolutely pounded on.
Let us know if your December was way more busy than usual, but it was crazy busy, because usually around November, it slows off, slows down, teeters off. It was so bad to the point where the manager was having to come in night shift, which was rare. She came in a couple of times, and she was charge, and then she was doing team nursing. She would tell these two nurses, "Okay, you take all the even rooms, and you two nurses take all the odd rooms, and then I'll be in the station charting strips." It was nutso, and just unsafe, starting out of ratio all the time.
I got a text from a friend saying, "Hey, we might all not clock in tonight," the girls coming on night shift, and I was like, "Whoa." It was around Christmas, and I was Googling things for her, and I was like, "I'm pretty sure you're--" I remember that in school. You can not take an assignment. You can say, "I do not feel safe, I don't want to take this assignment," and it's fine. I remember her saying, "Okay, this is what I found on Google. You guys should be fine. Stand your ground. They need to know that this is serious, that you're not going to clock in with assignment-- A charge with two or whatever, this is not appropriate."
Sarah: Are you guys union?
Justine: Yes. Our union rep at the hospital is actually in L&D, our union president. She was there that day, and she had known that this was happening too. Everyone was texting each other. The staff knew too. I am a supervisor and she's staff. Where it went wrong is I texted my manager, because I am also in the management team. I texted a screenshot that said, "We're not going to clock in tonight." I had taken off her name, because I wanted to give them a heads up like, "Hey, you need to fix this. You have staff not clocking in, and you have a couple of hours," because it was 3:00 PM when they had texted me.
She was like, "Wait, who sent this?" I don't know why. I was sitting there staring at it, and I just felt like I couldn't not say who sent it to my manager, being on the supervisor team. I will say I'm close with my manager. For you, Sarah, if I had texted you something about someone on the team, and you're like, "Who sent this?" I would tell you. That sucks.
Sarah: I'd appreciate that.
Justine: I told her, but I trust her. I also trust you, Sarah, too, if I were to tell you that information, you would do with it appropriately. I wouldn't get-- It's like not whistleblower, but whatever. Then what ended up happening was those girls didn't go and not clock in. They ended up just doing a late call off, all of them, one at a time, too late. It was 5.30, just call off by 5:00, and then they didn't call in.
Sarah: They just didn't show for work.
Justine: They just didn't show up. The leadership team lost it. Panic because they're not going to have nurses coming in. To their union, they called it a mini-organized strike, which is really not allowed, and very upset. They called it an internal triage, and all of the managers from every single unit and director had to come in on the unit. [crosstalk]
Sarah: Work it?
Justine: They had to be there just to figure out and plan, and strategize.
Sarah: Oh, I was like, "And throw them into count." I'm like, "That's what you want."
Justine: Right. Then it all fizzled out. I get to go back to work a week later off my maternity leave. The vibe is like, "They did that, but--" The day shift had to stay the whole entire time until people came in. They worked 24 hours. It was crazy. I, at the time, was coming back from maternity leave and begging my boss to go per diem supervisor, which was unheard of, but I was like, "I can't do part-time. I don't even know if I want to be supervisor anymore." I always told her, "I'm not cut out for this," because I tried too hard to be friends with supervisors and too hard to be friends with staff, and I crossed the lines, which I did with this case.
Anyways, I get a call from her two weeks later, "Hey, I have good news and bad news." [crosstalk]
Sarah: This is the manager supervisor person.
Justine: Yes. "I have good news and bad news." I remember I was standing in Bass Pro Shop with my family, and I was like, "Okay." She's like, "The good news is we got the CNO to offer you a per diem CNC position." I was like, "Oh, okay." "The bad news is I had to show that nurse your screenshot during her investigation interview." My whole entire stomach went to my butt because obviously my immediate thought is shame. I threw her under the bus, and I didn't mean to because I thought they weren't going to clock in, which was fine. Then she was [crosstalk], they were all in investigations because they didn't show up, and it was much worse.
When I think the point of the text was-- Rightfully so, I would do the same thing in their position. They were saying they didn't organize a strike, which they weren't organizing a strike. They weren't. That was not their intention.
Sarah: They were trying to stand up for themselves, and felt helpless and didn't know what to do, and so they did whatever they could to help not be unsafe.
Justine: Right. What sucks is that they were given advice from the union president who's an L&D nurse on our unit to be like, "No, you guys can call off kin care. It's fine." That's what sucks too. Then I'm so bummed with my manager at the time and we're friends. I've known her my whole career. I was like, "Can I call her?" She was like, "No, you can't." I'm just a mess, and I'm walking around Bass Pro Shop.
Sarah: Also, why does she have that control over that? This is where-- ooh, muddy. Ooh, I have so much thoughts. Keep going.
Justine: I immediately called her. [crosstalk] I had to call her, but I left a message. I was crying on the message. It probably sounded like a nightmare, and I never heard back from her. She ended up quitting that day, and I haven't seen her or heard from her, rightfully so. I get why. I did decline the CNC position because I was like, "I can't be a supervisor. One, how do you expect me to lead now?" because my immediate thought, too, was like, "Oh, literally the night shift team and day shift, they're ride-or-dies. They're going to hate me." That's really hard for my personality, for people to hate me. I'm the world's biggest people pleaser. I'm a recovering one. Can't do that.
My other thought is, "I have to go back to the--" My first thought is, "I'm going to quit. I'm not going to ever go back, but I have to go back because I'm committed to taking my nursing students there every Wednesday." I'm like, "I'm going to have to see them starting in February." This was December when I found out and I was like, "Okay, so this sucks." Fast forward, I find out that the reason my manager showed it was because when she had originally got my text, she was standing next to the CNO and was like, "Hey, no, this is really happening. The nurses aren't going to clock in," because they had heard whispering. "My CNC just texted me this," and she showed him.
Then later that night, when they were all doing their command center, he was like, "Hey, send me that text message." I'm like, "What was she supposed to do? That's her boss." Be like, "No?" I get it.
Sarah: You don't link a name to it. It doesn't matter at that point. Ooh, I have so much tattling. Keep going.
Justine: The fact that they showed it to-- The issue is they showed it, whatever. The main issue is that I sent it in my opinion. Anyways, now I am public enemy number one on my unit.
Sarah: Really?
Justine: Yes. It's ice. It's so icy. [crosstalk]
Sarah: From everyone?
Justine: From, I would say, 75%. Everyone is very respectful, but it's just hushed. I've been blocked from many Instagram accounts. It's hard. It's so hard because I'm not an evil person, and I didn't do it to be evil. I didn't do it to tell on her. Honestly, I'm glad that she quit and is moving on to a better place because she deserves better. She's an incredible nurse, and she's going to have so much less stress where she's going. I hope nothing but the best for her. A couple of other people quit, too. It's our loss on the unit.
It is really hard, and there are definitely people that don't know. Part of me is like, "I'll write it out until people quit because they always do, and the new people that come in, it'll be okay." We originally were going to do this episode a few weeks ago when it was worse. The other night at work, I did have a one-on-one talk in the nursing station with a nurse that's super icing me out, and it's very obvious. I sat down with her and I said, "Hey." The reason I sat down with her, too, was Heidi. Heidi knows all of this.
You'll know this reference, Sarah. She made a reference to the Ted Lasso episode where Ted is playing darts with the guy, I forget his name. He was talking about the difference between curiosity and judgmental, and we should be curious and not judgmental. If people were curious and they cared, they would know my side of the story, and they would realize I didn't do it to be evil. I didn't do it to throw her under the bus. In what world would I need to do that?
Sarah: How does that benefit anyone?
Justine: How does that benefit anyone? I sat down with her, and I was like, "So do the Enneagram?" She was like, "Oh, I've heard about it in church, but I don't know anything about it." I said, "Well, I'm a nine. I just want to preface that with this conversation is literally my worst nightmare, but I would love to talk to you about what happened and my side of the story." I didn't have to bring it up because she knows what happened. She knows what I'm talking about.
I shared my side, and I shared what I just shared. I will say, she was way more gracious than I thought she'd be. She asked me interesting questions. She said, "Why did you send it?" I said, "That's a good question. My first gut reaction answer is I'm dumb. I'm a big dumb-dumb, and I shouldn't have sent it. My second one is I have a big mouth, and I should just keep things to myself. My third one is I am a supervisor, and I wanted the supervisor team to know. They need to make arrangements. They got to figure it out."
Those were my answers. Then she asked me if I had talked to Eric about it specifically. She's like, "Have you talked to Eric about it?" which I thought was so interesting, such an insightful question. I think because Eric being my husband, who works at our hospital in our union as a nurse, and what his unionized brain would think, or a staff nurse brain, because in their mind, I'm not one. I have obviously. Eric knows everything. She's like, "Well, what does he think?" I was like, "Well, he sees both sides. He knows my heart, and he knows I'm not evil, ultimately, and also knows that I have a big mouth apparently."
Sarah: Do you? Hold on. Do you?
Justine: I don't know. I feel like when I was a kid-- Maybe I'm saying that more so, but I do think that if you don't tell me, "Don't say anything," I might say something if that makes sense. What's that look for?
Sarah: I'm just processing. I don't want you to create story, and I want you to watch your mouth in terms of what are you taking on that's not yours to take on? "I have a big mouth, I this and that, I blah, blah, blah," is all very self-shaming and almost self-deprecating, maybe not quite like, "I'm the worst. I suck," but also, it has an undertone of, "I suck."
Justine: I think I do [crosstalk] in this sense.
Sarah: You feel that way, but do you suck?
Justine: No.
Sarah: No. Do you have a bad heart? Were you trying to hurt someone?
Justine: No.
Sarah: Were you trying to get someone in trouble?
Justine: No.
Sarah: All the story that's being written about you, is it true?
Justine: No. That's really helpful. If the story was, "She's a loudmouth," sure. [unintelligible 00:14:21] but I'm not. I think that's why--
Sarah: Are you a loudmouth?
Justine: Not in my adulthood. I think as a teenager and maybe I hold on to that.
Sarah: You're not a teenager anymore.
Justine: It feels that way sometimes.
Sarah: That's where, like, are you holding on to your stories of what you were being told as a child? This has become therapy, but I would never describe you as a loudmouth.
Justine: I like that. That's nice. When you're in a relationship, it helps too, I feel like when you're married, because I can tell Eric everything, and then I don't have to tell other people. I'm still sharing a lot of things about people, naturally, but it's not spreading around gossip or whatever.
I think all of those things, all those questions, are really helpful, and I think that's ultimately why I keep showing up, because people have said, "I don't know how you come back here." Not in a mean way. The couple of people that aren't icing me out are saying that.
Sarah: Because of how you're being treated, or because you should be ashamed of yourself? What's the--
Justine: No, because of how I'm being treated. I could never come back because it's just like, "Oh, it's so cold," when it used to be overwhelmingly warm. You saw my birth and my delivery, and how kind everyone was. Ice.
Sarah: That's hard. It's a form of bullying, is what it is. It goes both ways. They could say, "Well, you deserve it," but are we in the business of getting back at each other and not allowing anyone to have their own voice? Who's in the wrong here? Mind you, I'm about to get real feisty because I also do know your heart, and I don't-- Integrity by definition is when your-- I'm going to mess this up, is when your actions align with what you believe, and one of my mantras of the last year is that when people show you who they are, you believe them. Does anyone deserve to be treated like you've been treated?
Justine: No.
Sarah: I think everybody listening is going, "Quite the inside scoop," because I half forget that we're going to post this to the world, but also, I think this behind the scenes is helpful for me to hear. If you are one of those nurses that's listening to this, and/or you're not, we all are accountable to our actions and how we carry ourselves through the world. Does it feel better to live in resentment, hatred, unrest, shame, guilt, unforgiveness, being mean? No.
In fact, I'm reading this book, and it's very woo-woo y'all. I'm asking for understanding. Unless you read the book, then we can talk about it, but don't judge me if you haven't read the book. It's called The Map of Consciousness by Hawkins. Something Hawkins. David Hawkins, maybe. It's about the science of kinesiology, and it's very physics. I'm reading it out loud again. I read it for Cancun. I pulled in some subtle stuff, but you wouldn't have known. Basically, it talks about how they can quantify the energy of emotion.
There's this spectrum of consciousness where somebody is no-- we're all vibrating. Our cells are moving at all times. The vibration is high vibe. That's where that comes from. Basically, there's like dead is zero. You have no vibration. There's zero movement of your cells. Then there's 1000, that's a full enlightened state, that would say Jesus was at an enlightened state. Gandhi vibrated that high. Mother Teresa was a 750. Then you have emotions along the way. The lowest one is shame. It's right next to death. Up there, you get into anger, resentment. There's apathies in there. Did you pull it up? Because I don't have it up. What are some of the other ones?
Justine: Going from the bottom up, shame, guilt, apathy, grief, fear, desire, anger, pride, courage. Then it goes to the better ones. [crosstalk]
Sarah: Courage is the neutral. That's when you start to pull into a more positive space. We all know this. I had this whole conversation literally this morning with my sister about this because you know when someone walks in the room and they're just like, "Ugh, icky," or like, "Oh my God." We would say, "You're so low vibe." That's very LA of us versus being high vibe, is like you walk in and they're a light and they bring joy. When you send good vibes, in a religious context, this could be pray for somebody, or send good vibes. You're sending loving thoughts towards someone.
Actually, the higher vibration counteracts the lower vibration states. By being in a higher vibe and by operating, what this means is-- Again, for the woo-woo people that are rolling their eyes, just bear with it because the-- Read the book. There's so much science behind this that when you vibrate or you operate at love, it counteracts 750,000 people's lower vibrations below that. You are impacting people by carrying yourself in a different way. We know this. They also said that 75% or 80% of the world operates under courage, in a lower emotional state. This is guilt, shame, fear, anger is in there.
Justine: Desire is interesting. That's in there. [crosstalk]
Sarah: Desire. That's an unsatisfied feeling. Why are we motivated by our actions? 80% of the world operates and lives in a place of being in a sadder, darker way to live. You think about you, and all of-- That was a serious tangent, but when you think about where these people are operating from, is it a place of love? No. That's why it feels so icky in my body to hear, in your body to talk about, and then you tag on, this is my own thing, but being unseen, that we all are trying to survive this world and be seen for who we are. I want to be believed. I want to be seen. I want to be known. I want to be loved. I don't want to be assumed about-- This is don't write people's story.
Unfortunately, your story is being written here, and this is the result. The result is you having a sick pit in your stomach and not enjoying work anymore, and bearing through it and feeling dysregulated in your body because your cells are being affected by the states of other people. You know this. You walk in the room, someone's like, "Oh God."
Justine: Oh, for sure. It doesn't help that I'm up-- I walk into work full of shame. I'm literally closest to death. My energy sucks, plus their's. It's just a mess. I will say my patients, I feel like-- First of all, I'm really back to the bedside now and I am having the best streak of patients, but I think too, I'm just hiding in their rooms, and so I'm with them so much.
Sarah: Hey, benefit for them.
Justine: They're benefiting from it. That's really helpful.
Sarah: It goes back to the purple hair thing. For you and for those that haven't heard whatever episode that was that we talked about this, but basically this was one of my coaching things from my coach that he basically was like, "Do you have purple hair? If I'm mad at you for having purple hair, I'm like, 'Your purple hair sucks. It's so freaking ugly. You are ugly because of your purple hair.' Does it affect you? What do you say? You say, 'Well, I don't have purple hair. What do you mean?' It bounces off."
Justine: What if the issue they're mad at me is because I sent the text, and I did send the text?
Sarah: Right, but you sent the text first of all, anonymously, and it wasn't out of spite. What the manager did with it was not your original intent. She needs to be accountable to her actions for bringing it up the chain and actually bringing that in, versus if you were to tell me something about the team, they would never know. They would never know. I would sneak it in sneaky ways, but they would never know. There is a little bit of-- I'm going to make a judgment here.
I would not make that personal choice myself because you lose trust with your staff and your manager. As a manager or your supervisor, it would benefit you that your supervisor is in with your staff so that you get those types of texts so that you have that insider scoop so that you can care for your unit better. Mind you, let's bring it one step further, the issue is the culture of the unit. If they would have staffed and actually put the resources where they deserve to go, then this wouldn't have been an issue in the first place.
Ultimately, who's to blame? Not you. It's the hospital because they put everyone in that position where the nurses felt helpless. You felt helpless. You were trying to help. You did have an obligation to your manager in some ways. Now, mind you, where I would say you went wrong is by saying who it was.
Justine: Yes, I know.
Sarah: "I gave you the text, that's enough. It's unimportant." That I think across the board is-- I see this a lot, and I saw this a lot on the unit when I was being bullied. It was like, "Well, who said that?" Even when I've been through some things, it's like, "Well, who did that to you?" I'm like, "It doesn't matter. It does not matter." It never matters unless you're out to get the other person. That to me is terrible leadership, terrible.
Instead of looking at yourself and looking at the unit and the culture that you've created, what forced your staff to have to-- I'm sorry if this manager is listening, I don't even know who this is. I'm sure they're a great person, but what forced your staff to make this decision in the first place, and feel so helpless and taken advantage of for it to even get this far, is a problem. Mind you, this may be your unit we're talking about, but I hope that you can take this and apply it to yours, because if you are a manager educator out there, I'm sorry, but it is your responsibility to make sure that you are avoiding these issues.
Often because of their shame, because underlying, they know this is because of them, and instead we play the blame game and it goes, "It's your problem here. Your problem there," in order to survive ourselves, which leads me to how often and how comfortable are you with yourself? In fact, I had this conversation yesterday of, we are in a world where we do not own our shit. We don't. We want to blame everyone else because if we owned our shit, we'd actually have to sit in our emotions, which we're uncomfortable with. We'd actually have to look at ourselves deeper and do the work, or live in shame.
The people that can be accountable, to me, are those people who are doing the work, that can apologize. Even you saying this here, Justine, the fact that you're like, "I was in the wrong. I feel bad. I'm uncomfortable. I'm sick with myself," is such higher EQ than these other people because you can sit in that. Also, you're not lying in bed all day, and you're able to get up and care for your family and still show up at your workplace. There's a lot of people that would quit. Even though you wanted to, you didn't, and you can sit in that and also hopefully still understand that you have value to add to this world, that you're not a piece of shit overall, that you made a bad decision.
I make bad decisions all the time. We all make bad decisions, but if we're going to be doing the human thing and interacting with one another and being human ourselves, we have to allow space for each other to make mistakes and then move on from them. I don't even know. I feel like I was preaching. We went to church. [inaudible 00:27:20]
Justine: That was great. [crosstalk]
Sarah: This is the issue with the hospital system. This is why we exist. This is why we're having podcasts. This is why we're having these conversations. This is why I have a job, because if people were better at this, and this is where so much of what Bundle Birth does and where-- I was thinking the other day, because I was feeling really insecure that-- I'm going to give this away on the podcast, but I won't probably talk about this otherwise because I have some shame on this. I've been away from the bedside longer than I've been in Bundle Birth. Now, I've made that crossover.
I've been super insecure about my ability to connect my clinical whatever, and I will say a lot of the stuff for me is getting rusty and things have changed. I can picture everything. Luckily, I've still been going to births and stuff, so that helps, but I am a businesswoman. I am not a practicing nurse. I'm an educator, sure, but I have insecurity about that. When I think about what Bundle Birth does or why we're here and why we exist, is because so much of that is not clinical. You can learn clinical from anywhere, Google it, Chat GPT that ish. Now read a book, go to A1, take a class, and we have a lot of them.
So much of where I see my mission and my heart, and where I can continue to contribute, is with these types of skills that this is way more impactful than you being able to weigh a Chucks and start an IV or hang a med. You need to do that. Please do that well. Don't do that wrong.
Justine: You're telling me that I need to do that.
Sarah: This types of stuff is so much deeper and it requires everyone to do the work. I am hopeful for the medical system, but there is so much more work to be done. All those hemorrhage drills do them, but we've got to be tackling some of these other issues, because no wonder we have burnout rates. If you weren't the person that you are, Justine, who's done the work that you have done, this could cause you to leave the profession altogether. It maybe did to this other person. We don't know.
What? It wipes away your entire career because you can't live with the guilt and shame of your decisions? I'm not blaming anyone. If that sounded blamey, I don't mean it that way. That is devastating to me, but that takes everybody doing their part and picking up what they can control, which what can we control? The work that we do on ourselves, but that is fricking painful and it requires investment, it requires time of investment, money of investment, therapy, reading, doing the work, whatever that is. That's where so many of these episodes that we do that has this undertone of the bigger picture, the more therapeutic stuff, because that to me is where we have the biggest area of opportunity in our industry.
We can learn a hemorrhage. We can read the textbooks. We can do the research studies and keep doing them, but unless we learn how to be human and how to interact with one another and how to care for one another and vibrate at a level of love, function out of a place-- Not even love, just courage, where you're like, "I'm being courageous," that alone-- You carrying yourself at a higher place, at a more positive place, impacts those around you and likely what you're-- I'm going to hypothesize. I'm just going to say, let's pretend and let's just believe this story instead that you continuing to show up at a higher level is causing a ripple effect just by showing up and sending your good vibes there or good energy out there.
You were able to have that conversation because you brought that light into a very cold place. Again, I'm hypothesizing here. I realized maybe not, but let's just go with it because we get to also create the story that we want to believe when none of us are ever going to really know.
Justine: I'm like, "Yes, it's getting better." We have people listening that are like, "It's not getting better. We hate you." I'm just kidding.
Sarah: That's on them. Also, are you going to live in resentment against somebody who's one of the kindest, most well-hearted-- is that a word? Good-hearted people I've ever known? Sad for you. Too bad for you. That's where it goes back to our friendship episode where I'm like, "Well, deuces, I don't want you around anyway. I don't need to be liked by you." That's also me getting older because they say the older you get, the less you care, and that's so true for me. Oh my God.
Justine: Honestly, too, I wanted to end right there because I felt like you were really-- that was going to be a perfect ending, landing the plane. I wanted to say, whatever. Live in your resentment. Live in your hate. You're right.
Sarah: Let them.
Justine: I'm going to let them, and I'm there to do my job, which is every Wednesday I have to be there all day with my students and give them a good labor and delivery experience. Every so often, I'll show up and help night shift, and that's what I'll do. I'm going to be courageous. I've been courageous. When you were saying that, I'm like, "I've been courageous." At least I'm not operating at death and shame. [crosstalk] honesty operating, neutrally at courageous. That's good. I'm going to throw my opinion into that book too. I read it as well when you offered it. That's a great book. We'll have to link [crosstalk]
Sarah: Which one?
Justine: The one you're reading, the conscious [crosstalk]
Sarah: Oh, The Map of Consciousness. You read it?
Justine: Yes. It's so--
Sarah: So fascinating.
Justine: Yes. I read it because you read it for Cancun. I had bought it. It's so dense.
Sarah: Yes. It's an intense one. Lots of big words I've never heard.
Justine: It made my ultimate goal of like, I want to be at peace. Always my striving goal. Right now I'm not.
Sarah: When you recognize that gap, whether you're reading The Map of Consciousness or you believe in any of that ish or not, it doesn't really matter. I'm sorry. If I give you the option of to live in-- what's one of the lower ones? Anger.
Justine: Anger.
Sarah: Grief or anger or apathy versus peace, everyone wants peace. That's what everybody is searching for, and satisfaction, let alone up at love, but courage. I want to feel courageous. That makes me feel powerful. When you have a hard situation or you're being bullied at work or whatever, remember that you don't have purple hair and choose to be courageous anyway.
Justine: Thanks for spending your time with us during this episode of Happy Hour with Bundle Birth Nurses. If you like what you heard, it helps us both if you subscribe, rate, leave a raving review, and share this episode with a friend. If you want more from us, head to bundlebirthnurses.com or follow us on Instagram.
Sarah: Now it's your turn to go and be courageous. Remember that you don't have purple hair and let them judge you as a result, but love yourself and send loving vibes to the world. We'll see you next time.